Offline mode not defeatable in FF3

Firefox should always use online mode if a connection is found that is default and i highly doubt Upstream will be changing that since the default purpose of a web browser is to browse the web. Please explain your request in more detail and steps to reproduce what you wish it to do and what it does now.

Marking as a Wishlist bug.

John Vivirito wrote:
> Firefox should always use online mode if a connection is found that is
> default and i highly doubt Upstream will be changing that since the
> default purpose of a web browser is to browse the web. Please explain
> your request in more detail and steps to reproduce what you wish it to
> do and what it does now.
>
> Marking as a Wishlist bug.
>
> ** Changed in: firefox-3.0 (Ubuntu)
> Sourcepackagename: firefox => firefox-3.0
> Importance: Undecided => Wishlist
> Status: New => Incomplete
>
John,
I use a Sierra AC875 cellular modem to access Internet via
cellular network. Sometimes I use 802.11b for Internet
access. FF3 switches off line during use, for no apparent
reason. FF3 usually starts off line, causing me to either
switch FF3 to on line or quit using FF3. I quit using FF3.
  My computers are set to not allow upgrade to FF3. I will
switch to Konqueror for all uses before I will use FF3 with
automatic off line switch active.

MSIE, last I used it, did not have to be switched, did not
have an apparent line mode control. Just type a file or web
address to load it in MSIE. Why MUST FF3 have automatic
shift off line and manual shift on line?

Users also should not have to frequently switch FF3 on line
due to some stupid obscure goal of FF3 Upstream. Ubuntu &
Kubuntu are adding features that are more like Windiz and
are reasons users switch away from Windiz. FF3 off line
mode being selected, against desires of user, is another
step toward Windiz.

All that has little bearing on problem of automatic off line
switching by FF3. FF3 goes off line while Thunderbird
continues to connect. All other applications continue to
connect to Internet, apparently not bothered by my means of
Internet access, yet FF3 switches off line. None of the
other applications require me to push the clutch and move
shifter to on line.

I used to install FF3 periodically to check for off line fix
but quit that when I found FF3 not ruins FF2. Even purging
FF2 and FF3 does not allow restoration of normal FF2
operation in Kubuntu 8.

FF Upstream can continue with this off line thing and
continue to lose users.

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Of all the applications I use, no other application fails to stay on line, no other application has automatic shift to off line and manual shift to on line. MSIE never required me to select line mode, it just loaded the file, web page or whatever I directed it to. Konqueror lacks line mode selection without me missing it.

Other applications find restored Internet connection & resume data transmission but FF3 switches off line during use and requires manual shft to on line. If I disconnect intentionally, reconnection results in other applications resuming operation but FF3 requires manual switch to on line. FF3 disconnects even while Internet connection continues. Again I have disconnected from FF3 and removed it from my computers.

Whatever is intention of FF3 designers is not important to me, this FF3 feature is wrong, not needed and cause to abandon use of FF. Other users will think same as I do.

Since first available pre release, FF3 in Kubuntu has persisted in switching off line, while all other applications continued to use Sierra AC875 cellular modem to Internet.

No, not duplicate of bug. Users should not have to ever be bothered with off line mode. Period.
I do not ever use FF off line. Why should FF ever switch off line in my computer? No other browser I use has a line switch. No other browser I use has ever line switched for any reason, then required me to find switch and set back on line. Regardless of cause, regardless of source of switch problem, regardless of intentions of FF designers, no user should be required to switch FF on line. Especially if he never selects off line mode.
I am not only XFF3 user due to line mode switch. If FF2 starts switching off line like FF3. I will quit FF2 also.
Second issue is FF having a line mode switch; not just issue of intrusive line switch but existence of lin mode switch. Why exist?
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-----Original Message-----
From: Alexander Sack <email address hidden>

Date: Mon, 02 Jun 2008 17:02:46
To:<email address hidden>
Subject: [Bug 205169] Re: Offline mode not defeatable in FF3

*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 191889 ***
    https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191889

** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 191889
   [MASTER] Ubuntu's new "Offline Mode" feature cannot properly detect when there is a valid network available for use in many circumstances

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On Mon, Jun 02, 2008 at 05:34:23PM -0000, Eric Lee Elliott wrote:
> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 191889 ***
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191889
>
> No, not duplicate of bug. Users should not have to ever be bothered with off line mode. Period.
> I do not ever use FF off line. Why should FF ever switch off line in my computer? No other browser I use has a line switch. No other browser I use has ever line switched for any reason, then required me to find switch and set back on line. Regardless of cause, regardless of source of switch problem, regardless of intentions of FF designers, no user should be required to switch FF on line. Especially if he never selects off line mode.
> I am not only XFF3 user due to line mode switch. If FF2 starts switching off line like FF3. I will quit FF2 also.
> Second issue is FF having a line mode switch; not just issue of intrusive line switch but existence of lin mode switch. Why exist?
> Sent from my BlackBerry Smartphone provided by Alltel
>

be assured that there is a patch on its way into upstream code-base
that will allow you to disable network manager in about:config

 - Alexander

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Alexander Sack <email address hidden> wrote:
> be assured that there is a patch on its way into upstream code-base
> that will allow you to disable network manager in about:config

And how does that solve the NM issue for non-Firefox applications???
Are we going to make an application setting for every damn application
that utilizes NetworkManager queries?
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On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 01:20:56AM -0000, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote:
> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 191889 ***
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191889
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 5:57 PM, Alexander Sack <email address hidden> wrote:
> > be assured that there is a patch on its way into upstream code-base
> > that will allow you to disable network manager in about:config
>
> And how does that solve the NM issue for non-Firefox applications???
> Are we going to make an application setting for every damn application
> that utilizes NetworkManager queries?

No, but this issue is known to network manager devs and maybe we will
have a better heurisitic in network manager.

 - Alexander

On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Alexander Sack <email address hidden> wrote:
> No, but this issue is known to network manager devs and maybe we will
> have a better heurisitic in network manager.

Good, because there are a lot of complex setups for Linux networking,
and I am 100% sure that NetworkManager doesn't handle them all. I
know you guys are trying your best to work on it, and we all
appreciate it, but I just regret the design decision to utilize NM api
to check networking status in all these applications. It smacks of
M$-like Desktop "integration". Linux users enjoy the freedom to
tinker...
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Kristian Erik Hermansen
--
"When you share your joys you double them; when you share your sorrows
you halve them."

On Tue, Jun 03, 2008 at 03:07:05AM -0000, Kristian Erik Hermansen wrote:
> *** This bug is a duplicate of bug 191889 ***
> https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/191889
>
> On Mon, Jun 2, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Alexander Sack <email address hidden> wrote:
> > No, but this issue is known to network manager devs and maybe we will
> > have a better heurisitic in network manager.
>
> Good, because there are a lot of complex setups for Linux networking,
> and I am 100% sure that NetworkManager doesn't handle them all. I
> know you guys are trying your best to work on it, and we all
> appreciate it, but I just regret the design decision to utilize NM api
> to check networking status in all these applications. It smacks of
> M$-like Desktop "integration". Linux users enjoy the freedom to
> tinker...

Yes, apps have to better understand what the online offline state
means in network manager to provide a good user experience.

As i commented in the firefox upstream bug, the states primary purpose
is to allow apps to fast-fail without probing the network.

So in the end its ok to have false online indication, while its much
more devastating to have false offline indication.

NetworkManager has implement a heuristic that follows the "no false
offline" indication approach and then it will be fine :). At least for
IP driven networks, that should be possible imo.

 - Alexander