[SRU] Orca is skipping key details of the updates list

I'll keep this up to date on what I find, but since I didn't mention in the description: I think this one is going to be harder than it looks.

First, probably worth mentioning that Orca also does not mention the other image inside the Install column. Right now, when I select a row in the updates list, it says "Image, System Settings, Expanded - three Items, 12.5 MB". If it was reading all of the cells, it would say something like "Image, Checkbox - ticked, Image, System Settings, Expanded - three Items, 12.5 MB". If all was right in the world, it would skip both of those images and say (at least) "Checkbox - ticked, System Settings, Expanded - three Items, 12.5 MB". If I change the order of those cells inside the Install column (and use Gtk.CellAreaBox instead of CellAreaPackage), Orca _still_ reads the label cell. The screen reader does mention the toggle cell correctly if it is in its own column, but that is quite unattractive.

I poked at Software Updater with Accerciser and it looks like the stuff inside the Install column all reaches it correctly. The toggle cell inside our GtkCellArea looks exactly like a toggle cell in its own column, except nested a little deeper. I'm hoping that is helpful for someone who knows anything about accessibility. (Eg: Not me). :)

Status changed to 'Confirmed' because the bug affects multiple users.

The checkboxes and their status is still not described in 24.10

Trying to fix this I found your question so linking here: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/14223296/with-gtk3-how-do-i-make-a-tree-view-accessible. Disappointingly it is still unanswered.

The attached proof-of-concept (which I also pushed to [1]) works at least in
simple cases. I need more updates to be available to test in a more complex
scenario. But as the original reporter says, using path.get_indices()[0] to set
each row's accessible description does not look very robust.

In any case, the last hunk of the patch tries to convince the screen reader to
announce when the user toggles a check-box, but all attempts fail.

You can check the screen recording attached for clarity.

[1]https://code.launchpad.net/~nteodosio/update-manager/+git/update-manager/+ref/a11y-read-checkbox-state

This bug was fixed in the package update-manager - 1:25.04.4

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update-manager (1:25.04.4) plucky; urgency=medium

  * Fix linter "E501 line too long".

 -- Nathan Pratta Teodosio <email address hidden> Thu, 09 Jan 2025 21:01:45 +0100

Hello Dylan, or anyone else affected,

Accepted update-manager into oracular-proposed. The package will build now and be available at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/1:24.10.7 in a few hours, and then in the -proposed repository.

Please help us by testing this new package. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation on how to enable and use -proposed. Your feedback will aid us getting this update out to other Ubuntu users.

If this package fixes the bug for you, please add a comment to this bug, mentioning the version of the package you tested, what testing has been performed on the package and change the tag from verification-needed-oracular to verification-done-oracular. If it does not fix the bug for you, please add a comment stating that, and change the tag to verification-failed-oracular. In either case, without details of your testing we will not be able to proceed.

Further information regarding the verification process can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification . Thank you in advance for helping!

N.B. The updated package will be released to -updates after the bug(s) fixed by this package have been verified and the package has been in -proposed for a minimum of 7 days.

Hello Dylan, or anyone else affected,

Accepted update-manager into noble-proposed. The package will build now and be available at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/1:24.04.10 in a few hours, and then in the -proposed repository.

Please help us by testing this new package. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation on how to enable and use -proposed. Your feedback will aid us getting this update out to other Ubuntu users.

If this package fixes the bug for you, please add a comment to this bug, mentioning the version of the package you tested, what testing has been performed on the package and change the tag from verification-needed-noble to verification-done-noble. If it does not fix the bug for you, please add a comment stating that, and change the tag to verification-failed-noble. In either case, without details of your testing we will not be able to proceed.

Further information regarding the verification process can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification . Thank you in advance for helping!

N.B. The updated package will be released to -updates after the bug(s) fixed by this package have been verified and the package has been in -proposed for a minimum of 7 days.

All autopkgtests for the newly accepted update-manager (1:24.04.10) for noble have finished running.
The following regressions have been reported in tests triggered by the package:

ubuntu-release-upgrader/1:24.04.26 (s390x)

Please visit the excuses page listed below and investigate the failures, proceeding afterwards as per the StableReleaseUpdates policy regarding autopkgtest regressions [1].

https://people.canonical.com/~ubuntu-archive/proposed-migration/noble/update_excuses.html#update-manager

[1] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/StableReleaseUpdates#Autopkgtest_Regressions

Thank you!

In 24.04,

*Unmuted speakers.
*If apt list --upgradable was not empty.
*Started orca.
*Started update-manager.

In the initial state of the window, it was checking for new updates. The screen reader did not announce that fact as "checking for updates".

Same failure in 24.10.

24.04.11 and 24.10.8 are in the unapproved queue to correct this failure.

Hello Dylan, or anyone else affected,

Accepted update-manager into noble-proposed. The package will build now and be available at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/1:24.04.12 in a few hours, and then in the -proposed repository.

Please help us by testing this new package. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation on how to enable and use -proposed. Your feedback will aid us getting this update out to other Ubuntu users.

If this package fixes the bug for you, please add a comment to this bug, mentioning the version of the package you tested, what testing has been performed on the package and change the tag from verification-needed-noble to verification-done-noble. If it does not fix the bug for you, please add a comment stating that, and change the tag to verification-failed-noble. In either case, without details of your testing we will not be able to proceed.

Further information regarding the verification process can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification . Thank you in advance for helping!

N.B. The updated package will be released to -updates after the bug(s) fixed by this package have been verified and the package has been in -proposed for a minimum of 7 days.

Hello Dylan, or anyone else affected,

Accepted update-manager into oracular-proposed. The package will build now and be available at https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/update-manager/1:24.10.9 in a few hours, and then in the -proposed repository.

Please help us by testing this new package. See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/EnableProposed for documentation on how to enable and use -proposed. Your feedback will aid us getting this update out to other Ubuntu users.

If this package fixes the bug for you, please add a comment to this bug, mentioning the version of the package you tested, what testing has been performed on the package and change the tag from verification-needed-oracular to verification-done-oracular. If it does not fix the bug for you, please add a comment stating that, and change the tag to verification-failed-oracular. In either case, without details of your testing we will not be able to proceed.

Further information regarding the verification process can be found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/PerformingSRUVerification . Thank you in advance for helping!

N.B. The updated package will be released to -updates after the bug(s) fixed by this package have been verified and the package has been in -proposed for a minimum of 7 days.

In 24.04, I installed update-manager .12 (from proposed).

*Unmuted the speakers.
*'apt list --upgradable' was not empty.
*Started orca.
*Started update-manager.

The screen reader announced "checking for updates" when the update-manager's window was mapped and then correctly read the name and selection state of the focused group when I selected it, as well as announced "unselected" when I unselected it. Recording attached.

verification for oracular is missing

Verification for oracular:

On a fresh oracular image it starts as:

update-manager frame
2%
100%

then for items it said the name and size and collapsed or not.

*After* upgrading to 24.10.9 from proposed it says:

checking for updates
update-manager frame
2%
100%

selecting an item it says the name,collapsed or not, size, select status such as

LibreOffice Calc (2), collapsed, 9.2 MB, selected.

at any level. Toggling a checkbox, it announces the new state.

This bug was fixed in the package update-manager - 1:24.10.9

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update-manager (1:24.10.9) oracular; urgency=medium

  * test_update_origin.py: Update to noble, and packaged archive keys
    (LP: #2109339)
  * test_update_origin: close the dpkg status file when tearing down
    (also tracked in LP: #2109339)

update-manager (1:24.10.8) oracular; urgency=medium

  * Screen reader: announce status header for update dialogue (LP: #1105371).
    Although that was claimed to be fixed in the prevoius version, the part
    of the patch corresponding to it was actually left behind.

update-manager (1:24.10.7) oracular; urgency=medium

  * When all packages are unselected, install button goes away; Fix it not coming back
    after once a package is selected again (LP: #2068805).
  * Screen reader: announce status header for update dialogue and checkbox
    state when the highlighted package changes or is toggled. (lp: #1105371)

 -- Julian Andres Klode <email address hidden> Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:14:08 +0200

The verification of the Stable Release Update for update-manager has completed successfully and the package is now being released to -updates. Subsequently, the Ubuntu Stable Release Updates Team is being unsubscribed and will not receive messages about this bug report. In the event that you encounter a regression using the package from -updates please report a new bug using ubuntu-bug and tag the bug report regression-update so we can easily find any regressions.

This bug was fixed in the package update-manager - 1:24.04.12

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update-manager (1:24.04.12) noble; urgency=medium

  * test_update_origin.py: Update to noble, and packaged archive keys
    (LP: #2109339)
  * test_update_origin: close the dpkg status file when tearing down
    (also tracked in LP: #2109339)

update-manager (1:24.04.11) noble; urgency=medium

  * Screen reader: announce status header for update dialogue (LP: #1105371).
    Although that was claimed to be fixed in the prevoius version, the part
    of the patch corresponding to it was actually left behind.

update-manager (1:24.04.10) noble; urgency=medium

  * When all packages are unselected, install button goes away; Fix it not
    coming back after once a package is selected again (LP: #2068805).
  * Screen reader: announce status header for update dialogue and checkbox
    state when the highlighted package changes or is toggled.
    (lp: #1105371)

 -- Julian Andres Klode <email address hidden> Fri, 25 Apr 2025 15:16:13 +0200